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Child Trafficking and Sexual Abuse at the Hands of World Politicians
Anneke Lukas grew up in Belgium and was sold by her mother to a murderous paedophile network at the age of six. There she was tortured and raped countless times for over five years by important politicians, aristocrats and other prominent people. The cruel reality millions of children are exposed to is inconceivable.
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I was raised in Belgium and sold into a murderous pedophile network right around my sixth birthday. I was used in this network for five years and a half. Adult men, that were part of this “exclusive club” were there for various reasons, but there was a lot of alcohol, a lot of drugs and the children were the commodity, the highest, the most valued commodity and were used for sex mostly. But there were a number of aristocrats part of this club, who also liked killing children. And then my time had come. At the age of 11 I was about to be killed. I was tortured, because someone who had protected me for a while and then abused me really badly was done with me. I was strapped to a butchers block. It was black from the blood of all the children that had come before me. I was there for a few hours. My body is full of scars. And every scar reminds me of the moment. I thought that I was going to be killed; like all the children, that weren´t loved enough to live. And I was going to be forgotten as well.
And I wasn´t ready to die. Someone from inside that network loved me enough to rescue me. That torture lasted a few hours. However, I was in that network for five years and a half. In that time I was raped many, many, many times. I don´t have any scars to show how many times I was raped, but I did the math. Usually it was a whole night in the weekend. And so I gathered that I was raped, actually raped for about 6 hours a week.1.716 hours of rape. Before I reached the age of 12. I grew up with instructions that were given to me by the person who rescued me. That kept me out of prostitution and kept me away from drugs, led me out of the country, Belgium, where this all happened. As a young adult, though I didn´t have any scars, I had been projected upon so much as a sexual object, that I attracted men. And part of me needed that to live, because that was the only way I knew how to feel good. And as a young woman I was so disrespected and so used. And yet everyone was so ready to put the blame with me; for being promiscuous, for being as was said, cheap, a whore. All these things, all these epithets. So quick to denounce me. And then, as I was healing, I realized: No, I have to break out of this pattern that I´m in, that I need sexual attention, so let me break away from it, let me not objectify myself at all. Let me become a liberated woman. And so I worked for decades and decades feeling into all the pain of what was done to me. All the betrayal of being sold by my parents. Children are the most vulnerable of our population. So, we want to create a society where children will be safe; where children will have a community around them. Every child deserves safety! No child deserves what I went through and what millions of children each day go through. But, unfortunately the way the system is right now that is part of the system. As women we have so much potential to be truly empowered by feeling into everything that we as women endure. That gives us more strength than anyone. All that pain behind all that powerlessness and that humiliation. Really feeling into what was done to me, really understanding, that it wasn´t me; that at the end of the day I´m okay. I was a child. I was being victimized. It wasn´t my fault.
You will receive more informations about Anneke Lucas in the following interview.
Interview by Gareth Icke with Anneke Lucas on Ickonic 'Right Now':
(interview starts at min. 2:38)
Introduction:
Gareth: Our final guest joins us from New York. Anneke Lucas was sold by her mother as a child sex slave to a pedophile network in Belgium. Anneke was raped daily by older men; many of them prominent Belgian politicians until she was 11 years old. At 11 she was considered no longer useful to the network. She was tortured to be killed. She was saved from death by a man negotiating with a politician in charge of the network.
Interview
Gareth: Anneke, thank you so much for talking to us! The first thing that really, that really struck me, was the fact that you were sold by your mother. As a parent I'm, I struggle to compute that. How do you process that?
Anneke: That's a lifelong process. Because of course my mother is the person that I was closest to. I guess we are all our primary caregiver. She was also alone when she had me. And then...you know my mother was not well. She was mentally ill you could say. She was never diagnosed. I would say she was a psychopath in a way that sometimes translates to females is that she was extremely fawning to all men. She sort of acted like a five -year -old flirtatious; weirdly flirtatious little girl to all men. Submitted herself very easily and then I guess I was an extension of herself and it was very difficult to be around her. Because there was really never any room for me. It was a complete projection I was either sort of a weak bland, ugly, little girl that was her little helper. And then I was a little girl and then I was good or I was evil. And then, you know… But the thing is that your question is sort of the ultimate question you know how can anybody do this? How can the adults in the network; how can they do this? The children many of them were parents many of them I'm sure were incestuous parents as well and it's that emotionally. My mother was not developed past probably the age of 5 or something. It's the time that her mother died. She came from massive trauma, that I must assume mostly but also it was 39 in Belgium. It was a town that was bombed a lot during the war. Her father was a prisoner of war in a concentration camp you know and with her mother's death and other deaths in the family I think that it would have been very difficult. There were little resources available for people to heal from trauma after the war. So she passed you know in provincial Belgium. She totally passed. Maybe people thought she was a little sexual because it was a very catholic community. But she passed and I was her primary victim.
Gareth: It's so difficult to understand the mentality like you said; the mentality that would sell their own child into this. But also the people that can carry this out. It's very hard for people to get their, to get their heads around the fact that people are capable of such evil. How old were you when you realized that the depth of evil? Because that's not something that a child should ever have to even begin to process.
Anneke: Right. Well, the network is very dark. And I was as you said in the introduction. I was really in the Belgian network, which sort of acted like a mafia. But it was run by the then minister of National Defense. So this was a politician who had a stellar career in Belgium. He was prime minister twice: Paul Vanden Boeynants. I've named him in my book. And it was really connected to... to the local network, if you will; a Belgian local net. The Belgians is, it's a small country as you know; it's a small network. But they were connecting through satanism, through... to other more highly placed satanists. And use children as a commodity, always. So I was used both from the age of six, when I started being trafficked. I was... late because the network usually takes children from satanic families much earlier. So at age six I was put in the network and I was used in Belgium for... either certain aristocrats who were extremely violent and sadistic. Who also had no qualms killing children. And so there's really no reason that I, that I did survive that. And then at age nine I was... in I... these first years I was also used a lot for men that were being indoctrinated into that system. So it was really a system of blackmail. Where they would be... you know first put together with a young girl, with a girl who was maybe 14 or 15. Maybe told she was older. Then caught on tape. So then that's the beginning of the blackmail. And then they would end up with me. So of course six, seven years old, there's no question that it is a very young child. And so anyone who goes along and does rape a young child like that… even though I was maybe inviting them. I had been taught to make them feel comfortable. But even, so that there's no question that this is a committing crime and there were always some men to say: Oh, I'm not doing this. I can't do this.“ But I didn't realize at the time how deeply these men were already indoctrinated. And that it takes the kind of person as they say, who will do anything. And that’s the say.
People who... I always felt that the people that were abusing me had themselves been abused as children. And that they were repeating from the position of power. So that they were overcoming their own sense of powerlessness and helplessness from their abuse. Through this very raw act where they got to feel high in the position, being in the position of power. And of course most survivors do not become perpetrators but this system is set up to allow people who are ready to become perpetrators or pushing people to become perpetrators to have this huge, huge big secret of the pedophilia as a way in. As to keep everyone in their pocket. And that extends though… (interrupts her)
Gareth: Do you still see some of the people that abused you on your television or on newspapers in Belgium?
Anneke: In Belgium... and look, it wasn't limited to Belgium. I was trafficked to the United States, to France, to Switzerland, to Italy. You know at age nine, you could say I was traded up to an international networker that... who took me to the United States. This is someone who's very visible on the world stage. During this time, I was mind control trained. I spent sort of a year, what I call at the seat of power. So these were a group of very powerful people, Satanists, including celebrities, politicians, royals. And of course you see those people. Of course I see them still. Even though most of my perpetrators are now dead. Because they were so prominent. They're everywhere.
Gareth: That must be extraordinary for you. To see that with the knowledge that you have about who these people really are. Does, how does that make you feel to see them? It's probably a stupid question, but I would imagine ‚anger‘.
Anneke: Yes, actually it makes me want to name them. Which is something that I can't do. And I've been, you know... it's been made very clear to me that if I do, I will be dead. My family will be killed (11:33). That has sort of been the message that I've been getting. And apparently the family of my main perpetrator, I've found out that they have their own secret service. It seems that I've experienced that a little bit. That's all these people showing up in my life and that were trained the way. I was trained to be a spy. So I could recognize it. But the message was very clear, you know, in their way. They let me know, that the threat was always: ‚You name this person, you're dead‘. And you know, I think a lot of survivors like myself would be happy to give our lives to the cause, if it would be worth it.
But you always have to weigh and balance out what is okay to reveal and what is not. And so it does make me very angry. It also makes me very angry how most people believe the narrative, that these are... ‚These wonderful people that they are propped up to‘ you know, as they are propped up to be viewed.
Gareth: Of course. I remember as a kid here in the UK, there was a massive pedophile network in Belgium that was uncovered and it made world news. It certainly made major headlines here in the UK. Would that have been connected to the network, that you were involved with? Or would it simply be maybe a case of people are getting a little bit close to the truth? Let's throw them a few kind of lower level pedophiles to kind of almost quench the thirst a bit while we protect these big name people.
Anneke: Well, that's exactly what it ended up being. That you're referring to what is known as the ‚Dutroux case‘. So I will show my book (holds up her book – 13:24) because I actually do write about the ‚Dutroux case‘ in my book, which is very closely linked to my story. It's the same network basically that you heard about in 1996, when those... when bodies of children were uncovered, two children were rescued from a dungeon. And a pimp for this Belgian network had started kidnapping children, which was really unusual. And he was, caught and children had died in his care. Because obviously most of the pimps would infiltrate into a family and then take the children and bring them back home. So I myself would go to school. So it was much easier. There were no parents looking for me. My parents were involved as were most of the parents of the children that were used. So the ‚Dutroux case‘ was supposed to blow all that up. Marc Dutroux was that pimp. And what happened then, it was a very big case. It was worldwide. They were talking about the network worldwide. And what happened was really quite extraordinary in that... It took eight years for the case to go to the trial. A lot of survivors came forward and gave evidence testimony that was checked and double-checked by some really good cops, detectives, who found correlations that, things that these survivors should not have known, would not have known if they hadn't been there.
I was not in Belgium at the time. I barely knew. I found out about the ‚Dutroux case‘ after the first judge was already...you know the first person in charge of the case was already fired.
For supposedly partiality, which caused the white marches at the time. The whole Belgian population in uproar, because there were child victims. Everyone was dressed in white to denote the innocence of the children. But eight years later, there was a huge, massive, massive attempt to quench this... knowledge. All the witness accounts were cut off from the case. 30 people died, who had any kind of evidence relating to the larger network. Many important factors were pushed off the case and were created. You know, a new file was created that was going to be a different case. So by the time the... by the time the trial in 2004, it was just Marc Dutroux. And then the one person that was closest, really that was a little higher up in the network. That was Michel Nihoul. And Michel Nihoul... I write about extensively in my memoir, because he started when I was there. So I was there from 69 to 74. I dealt a lot with Michel Nihoul. He was sort of the gopher. He was the middle person for everything. He ended up getting off in this case. And Marc Dutroux was basically sent to life in prison. He even escaped from prison at one point. There's attempts now to get him, to set him free. It's really quite amazing. It's sort of the Satanists going: ‚We can do this. We can win. And… (raises her eyebrows)
Gareth: Yeah, almost mocking in a way.
Anneke: Absolutely mocking! I think that's a big sign of Satanists when they're mocking victims; mocking anyone who... The victims were also, the survivors were also extremely mocked and derided. And of course, this is something that continues (nods affirmatively).
Gareth: Of course, of course. Well, it's a way for them to exert even more power over you and make you feel helpless. Because you've written about your experiences, you're speaking out about your experiences. Are you then contacted by people that have had similar experiences in different countries, networks, say in the UK or in Germany or other places?
Anneke: Yes, so thank you. That's what I do basically all day. I work with other survivors. So because my story went viral, I think in 2016. I've been public since 2013. And I've been contacted by many, many other survivors. I work with them. I've had my 30 plus years of healing, which continues, of course, to this day. But because of that, because of circumstances in the way, that I was able, had the privilege really to focus on healing, I shared that. And so also though, because I speak to people all over the world. It's rather the Western world, I should say, you know. I work with people from England and the Commonwealth a lot. And then of course, Europe, pretty much all over Western Europe, and of course the United States. That this network, this network, there's similarities everywhere. There's slight differences, the children that get in through military families. But the mind control is similar everywhere. The mind control training is similar everywhere. The purpose for each child is different depending on their rank. That depends on their families. But there's these huge similarities in the way that the network works. Which I've learned, that so the smaller networks, like the Belgium is one, they connect. So they have a few powerful people through secret societies, whatever, in their town. Then can keep the control or can mess with investigations if necessary. There's a judge, there's a lawyer, there's a... you know somebody, police commissioner or something. There's doctors. And then they connect through their own children often, to people that are more powerful in the world. And that's how they protect their positions or they protect their reputations or they climb. Whatever they want, really! It's sort of whatever you seek, whatever your ambition is. You can, you can definitely accomplish things by being part of this network in the world. And that was very much at the expense of a lot of children.
Gareth: You have a workshop coming up, I believe, called ‚Shifting the Power‘. Can you tell us about that?
Anneke: Yes, thank you. So my website has it. I have been...So I spent 10 years working inside the prisons of New York. I founded a nonprofit organization to bring yoga into the prisons. And from the beginning, I started teaching yoga, which was back in the 2000s. I'd always used yoga as a healing modality, but found it very difficult to use because of the way that it was taught. So I always have been thinking, if you are going to be a provider, a teacher, a therapist, there's a way to be with people, that is not helpful. And I've been very much on the receiving end of the not helpful kind. Whether it's therapists or yoga teachers or anything. So I worked - through these programs in prison. I worked to find a method, really to be fully present with; on a horizontal level. Because we all have invitations to take part in this power structure. So we all get invited to, you know, get a degree and then take our role and then... To the degree that we need that status and that we need that position, we can cover over our own trauma and we can then put ourselves above the people that we work with. And of course, a lot of therapists do that as well, especially the more specialized you get, the more it happens in my experience. So it's for each provider really to look at themselves, to look at the psychology. How you are unconsciously participating in the power structure. Who do you give your power away to? And who do you look down upon? And if you can assume that it really is about unresolved trauma, that if you look up to someone and you give your power away, you put someone on a pedestal. You're looking at a, at an authority figure from your own childhood that you have unresolved stuff with. And if you look down on someone, if you judge someone, you're negatively projecting. And that has to do with some parts of yourself that you haven't really accepted yet. So that's really the premiss and the unconditional model. And so this workshop is a 10 week, online workshop of each class. And I think it's a… I've done it. I've actually already traveled the world and taught to particular therapists, who are very... (here the sound hangs - interruption) on this information really. That this going deeply into dynamics and how they are related to trauma for asking that question.
Conclusion
Gareth: Thank you so much. Thank you so much for joining us! It's been, it's been amazing to talk to you, even though the subject matter is, is as horrific as it is. Talking to you about it, you exposing it and helping other people that are in the same thing. It still feels, uplifting in a way. Do you know what I mean? I hope people at home don't think I'm, I'm talking nonsense. But it still feels ‚uplifting‘ to talk to you, because you...you've gone through such horrific things. But you're, you're almost flipping it. As you say with your workshop, you shifting the power and, and that's, that's fantastic.
Anneke: Yes. Thank you.
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I was raised in Belgium and sold into a murderous pedophile network right around my sixth birthday. I was used in this network for five years and a half. Adult men, that were part of this “exclusive club” were there for various reasons, but there was a lot of alcohol, a lot of drugs and the children were the commodity, the highest, the most valued commodity and were used for sex mostly. But there were a number of aristocrats part of this club, who also liked killing children. And then my time had come. At the age of 11 I was about to be killed. I was tortured, because someone who had protected me for a while and then abused me really badly was done with me. I was strapped to a butchers block. It was black from the blood of all the children that had come before me. I was there for a few hours. My body is full of scars. And every scar reminds me of the moment. I thought that I was going to be killed; like all the children, that weren´t loved enough to live. And I was going to be forgotten as well. And I wasn´t ready to die. Someone from inside that network loved me enough to rescue me. That torture lasted a few hours. However, I was in that network for five years and a half. In that time I was raped many, many, many times. I don´t have any scars to show how many times I was raped, but I did the math. Usually it was a whole night in the weekend. And so I gathered that I was raped, actually raped for about 6 hours a week.1.716 hours of rape. Before I reached the age of 12. I grew up with instructions that were given to me by the person who rescued me. That kept me out of prostitution and kept me away from drugs, led me out of the country, Belgium, where this all happened. As a young adult, though I didn´t have any scars, I had been projected upon so much as a sexual object, that I attracted men. And part of me needed that to live, because that was the only way I knew how to feel good. And as a young woman I was so disrespected and so used. And yet everyone was so ready to put the blame with me; for being promiscuous, for being as was said, cheap, a whore. All these things, all these epithets. So quick to denounce me. And then, as I was healing, I realized: No, I have to break out of this pattern that I´m in, that I need sexual attention, so let me break away from it, let me not objectify myself at all. Let me become a liberated woman. And so I worked for decades and decades feeling into all the pain of what was done to me. All the betrayal of being sold by my parents. Children are the most vulnerable of our population. So, we want to create a society where children will be safe; where children will have a community around them. Every child deserves safety! No child deserves what I went through and what millions of children each day go through. But, unfortunately the way the system is right now that is part of the system. As women we have so much potential to be truly empowered by feeling into everything that we as women endure. That gives us more strength than anyone. All that pain behind all that powerlessness and that humiliation. Really feeling into what was done to me, really understanding, that it wasn´t me; that at the end of the day I´m okay. I was a child. I was being victimized. It wasn´t my fault. You will receive more informations about Anneke Lucas in the following interview. Interview by Gareth Icke with Anneke Lucas on Ickonic 'Right Now': (interview starts at min. 2:38) Introduction: Gareth: Our final guest joins us from New York. Anneke Lucas was sold by her mother as a child sex slave to a pedophile network in Belgium. Anneke was raped daily by older men; many of them prominent Belgian politicians until she was 11 years old. At 11 she was considered no longer useful to the network. She was tortured to be killed. She was saved from death by a man negotiating with a politician in charge of the network. Interview Gareth: Anneke, thank you so much for talking to us! The first thing that really, that really struck me, was the fact that you were sold by your mother. As a parent I'm, I struggle to compute that. How do you process that? Anneke: That's a lifelong process. Because of course my mother is the person that I was closest to. I guess we are all our primary caregiver. She was also alone when she had me. And then...you know my mother was not well. She was mentally ill you could say. She was never diagnosed. I would say she was a psychopath in a way that sometimes translates to females is that she was extremely fawning to all men. She sort of acted like a five -year -old flirtatious; weirdly flirtatious little girl to all men. Submitted herself very easily and then I guess I was an extension of herself and it was very difficult to be around her. Because there was really never any room for me. It was a complete projection I was either sort of a weak bland, ugly, little girl that was her little helper. And then I was a little girl and then I was good or I was evil. And then, you know… But the thing is that your question is sort of the ultimate question you know how can anybody do this? How can the adults in the network; how can they do this? The children many of them were parents many of them I'm sure were incestuous parents as well and it's that emotionally. My mother was not developed past probably the age of 5 or something. It's the time that her mother died. She came from massive trauma, that I must assume mostly but also it was 39 in Belgium. It was a town that was bombed a lot during the war. Her father was a prisoner of war in a concentration camp you know and with her mother's death and other deaths in the family I think that it would have been very difficult. There were little resources available for people to heal from trauma after the war. So she passed you know in provincial Belgium. She totally passed. Maybe people thought she was a little sexual because it was a very catholic community. But she passed and I was her primary victim. Gareth: It's so difficult to understand the mentality like you said; the mentality that would sell their own child into this. But also the people that can carry this out. It's very hard for people to get their, to get their heads around the fact that people are capable of such evil. How old were you when you realized that the depth of evil? Because that's not something that a child should ever have to even begin to process. Anneke: Right. Well, the network is very dark. And I was as you said in the introduction. I was really in the Belgian network, which sort of acted like a mafia. But it was run by the then minister of National Defense. So this was a politician who had a stellar career in Belgium. He was prime minister twice: Paul Vanden Boeynants. I've named him in my book. And it was really connected to... to the local network, if you will; a Belgian local net. The Belgians is, it's a small country as you know; it's a small network. But they were connecting through satanism, through... to other more highly placed satanists. And use children as a commodity, always. So I was used both from the age of six, when I started being trafficked. I was... late because the network usually takes children from satanic families much earlier. So at age six I was put in the network and I was used in Belgium for... either certain aristocrats who were extremely violent and sadistic. Who also had no qualms killing children. And so there's really no reason that I, that I did survive that. And then at age nine I was... in I... these first years I was also used a lot for men that were being indoctrinated into that system. So it was really a system of blackmail. Where they would be... you know first put together with a young girl, with a girl who was maybe 14 or 15. Maybe told she was older. Then caught on tape. So then that's the beginning of the blackmail. And then they would end up with me. So of course six, seven years old, there's no question that it is a very young child. And so anyone who goes along and does rape a young child like that… even though I was maybe inviting them. I had been taught to make them feel comfortable. But even, so that there's no question that this is a committing crime and there were always some men to say: Oh, I'm not doing this. I can't do this.“ But I didn't realize at the time how deeply these men were already indoctrinated. And that it takes the kind of person as they say, who will do anything. And that’s the say. People who... I always felt that the people that were abusing me had themselves been abused as children. And that they were repeating from the position of power. So that they were overcoming their own sense of powerlessness and helplessness from their abuse. Through this very raw act where they got to feel high in the position, being in the position of power. And of course most survivors do not become perpetrators but this system is set up to allow people who are ready to become perpetrators or pushing people to become perpetrators to have this huge, huge big secret of the pedophilia as a way in. As to keep everyone in their pocket. And that extends though… (interrupts her) Gareth: Do you still see some of the people that abused you on your television or on newspapers in Belgium? Anneke: In Belgium... and look, it wasn't limited to Belgium. I was trafficked to the United States, to France, to Switzerland, to Italy. You know at age nine, you could say I was traded up to an international networker that... who took me to the United States. This is someone who's very visible on the world stage. During this time, I was mind control trained. I spent sort of a year, what I call at the seat of power. So these were a group of very powerful people, Satanists, including celebrities, politicians, royals. And of course you see those people. Of course I see them still. Even though most of my perpetrators are now dead. Because they were so prominent. They're everywhere. Gareth: That must be extraordinary for you. To see that with the knowledge that you have about who these people really are. Does, how does that make you feel to see them? It's probably a stupid question, but I would imagine ‚anger‘. Anneke: Yes, actually it makes me want to name them. Which is something that I can't do. And I've been, you know... it's been made very clear to me that if I do, I will be dead. My family will be killed (11:33). That has sort of been the message that I've been getting. And apparently the family of my main perpetrator, I've found out that they have their own secret service. It seems that I've experienced that a little bit. That's all these people showing up in my life and that were trained the way. I was trained to be a spy. So I could recognize it. But the message was very clear, you know, in their way. They let me know, that the threat was always: ‚You name this person, you're dead‘. And you know, I think a lot of survivors like myself would be happy to give our lives to the cause, if it would be worth it. But you always have to weigh and balance out what is okay to reveal and what is not. And so it does make me very angry. It also makes me very angry how most people believe the narrative, that these are... ‚These wonderful people that they are propped up to‘ you know, as they are propped up to be viewed. Gareth: Of course. I remember as a kid here in the UK, there was a massive pedophile network in Belgium that was uncovered and it made world news. It certainly made major headlines here in the UK. Would that have been connected to the network, that you were involved with? Or would it simply be maybe a case of people are getting a little bit close to the truth? Let's throw them a few kind of lower level pedophiles to kind of almost quench the thirst a bit while we protect these big name people. Anneke: Well, that's exactly what it ended up being. That you're referring to what is known as the ‚Dutroux case‘. So I will show my book (holds up her book – 13:24) because I actually do write about the ‚Dutroux case‘ in my book, which is very closely linked to my story. It's the same network basically that you heard about in 1996, when those... when bodies of children were uncovered, two children were rescued from a dungeon. And a pimp for this Belgian network had started kidnapping children, which was really unusual. And he was, caught and children had died in his care. Because obviously most of the pimps would infiltrate into a family and then take the children and bring them back home. So I myself would go to school. So it was much easier. There were no parents looking for me. My parents were involved as were most of the parents of the children that were used. So the ‚Dutroux case‘ was supposed to blow all that up. Marc Dutroux was that pimp. And what happened then, it was a very big case. It was worldwide. They were talking about the network worldwide. And what happened was really quite extraordinary in that... It took eight years for the case to go to the trial. A lot of survivors came forward and gave evidence testimony that was checked and double-checked by some really good cops, detectives, who found correlations that, things that these survivors should not have known, would not have known if they hadn't been there. I was not in Belgium at the time. I barely knew. I found out about the ‚Dutroux case‘ after the first judge was already...you know the first person in charge of the case was already fired. For supposedly partiality, which caused the white marches at the time. The whole Belgian population in uproar, because there were child victims. Everyone was dressed in white to denote the innocence of the children. But eight years later, there was a huge, massive, massive attempt to quench this... knowledge. All the witness accounts were cut off from the case. 30 people died, who had any kind of evidence relating to the larger network. Many important factors were pushed off the case and were created. You know, a new file was created that was going to be a different case. So by the time the... by the time the trial in 2004, it was just Marc Dutroux. And then the one person that was closest, really that was a little higher up in the network. That was Michel Nihoul. And Michel Nihoul... I write about extensively in my memoir, because he started when I was there. So I was there from 69 to 74. I dealt a lot with Michel Nihoul. He was sort of the gopher. He was the middle person for everything. He ended up getting off in this case. And Marc Dutroux was basically sent to life in prison. He even escaped from prison at one point. There's attempts now to get him, to set him free. It's really quite amazing. It's sort of the Satanists going: ‚We can do this. We can win. And… (raises her eyebrows) Gareth: Yeah, almost mocking in a way. Anneke: Absolutely mocking! I think that's a big sign of Satanists when they're mocking victims; mocking anyone who... The victims were also, the survivors were also extremely mocked and derided. And of course, this is something that continues (nods affirmatively). Gareth: Of course, of course. Well, it's a way for them to exert even more power over you and make you feel helpless. Because you've written about your experiences, you're speaking out about your experiences. Are you then contacted by people that have had similar experiences in different countries, networks, say in the UK or in Germany or other places? Anneke: Yes, so thank you. That's what I do basically all day. I work with other survivors. So because my story went viral, I think in 2016. I've been public since 2013. And I've been contacted by many, many other survivors. I work with them. I've had my 30 plus years of healing, which continues, of course, to this day. But because of that, because of circumstances in the way, that I was able, had the privilege really to focus on healing, I shared that. And so also though, because I speak to people all over the world. It's rather the Western world, I should say, you know. I work with people from England and the Commonwealth a lot. And then of course, Europe, pretty much all over Western Europe, and of course the United States. That this network, this network, there's similarities everywhere. There's slight differences, the children that get in through military families. But the mind control is similar everywhere. The mind control training is similar everywhere. The purpose for each child is different depending on their rank. That depends on their families. But there's these huge similarities in the way that the network works. Which I've learned, that so the smaller networks, like the Belgium is one, they connect. So they have a few powerful people through secret societies, whatever, in their town. Then can keep the control or can mess with investigations if necessary. There's a judge, there's a lawyer, there's a... you know somebody, police commissioner or something. There's doctors. And then they connect through their own children often, to people that are more powerful in the world. And that's how they protect their positions or they protect their reputations or they climb. Whatever they want, really! It's sort of whatever you seek, whatever your ambition is. You can, you can definitely accomplish things by being part of this network in the world. And that was very much at the expense of a lot of children. Gareth: You have a workshop coming up, I believe, called ‚Shifting the Power‘. Can you tell us about that? Anneke: Yes, thank you. So my website has it. I have been...So I spent 10 years working inside the prisons of New York. I founded a nonprofit organization to bring yoga into the prisons. And from the beginning, I started teaching yoga, which was back in the 2000s. I'd always used yoga as a healing modality, but found it very difficult to use because of the way that it was taught. So I always have been thinking, if you are going to be a provider, a teacher, a therapist, there's a way to be with people, that is not helpful. And I've been very much on the receiving end of the not helpful kind. Whether it's therapists or yoga teachers or anything. So I worked - through these programs in prison. I worked to find a method, really to be fully present with; on a horizontal level. Because we all have invitations to take part in this power structure. So we all get invited to, you know, get a degree and then take our role and then... To the degree that we need that status and that we need that position, we can cover over our own trauma and we can then put ourselves above the people that we work with. And of course, a lot of therapists do that as well, especially the more specialized you get, the more it happens in my experience. So it's for each provider really to look at themselves, to look at the psychology. How you are unconsciously participating in the power structure. Who do you give your power away to? And who do you look down upon? And if you can assume that it really is about unresolved trauma, that if you look up to someone and you give your power away, you put someone on a pedestal. You're looking at a, at an authority figure from your own childhood that you have unresolved stuff with. And if you look down on someone, if you judge someone, you're negatively projecting. And that has to do with some parts of yourself that you haven't really accepted yet. So that's really the premiss and the unconditional model. And so this workshop is a 10 week, online workshop of each class. And I think it's a… I've done it. I've actually already traveled the world and taught to particular therapists, who are very... (here the sound hangs - interruption) on this information really. That this going deeply into dynamics and how they are related to trauma for asking that question. Conclusion Gareth: Thank you so much. Thank you so much for joining us! It's been, it's been amazing to talk to you, even though the subject matter is, is as horrific as it is. Talking to you about it, you exposing it and helping other people that are in the same thing. It still feels, uplifting in a way. Do you know what I mean? I hope people at home don't think I'm, I'm talking nonsense. But it still feels ‚uplifting‘ to talk to you, because you...you've gone through such horrific things. But you're, you're almost flipping it. As you say with your workshop, you shifting the power and, and that's, that's fantastic. Anneke: Yes. Thank you.
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