Interview with Eric Clapton – What the jab told him

02.11.2021 | www.kla.tv/20403

I’m Eric Clapton, musician, and I’m here to answer some questions. I got the notification you can come and get and I was holding out for Astra Zeneca because it came from Oxford and so you know that I’m pretty naive about this stuff... Within several hours I was shaking like a leaf and I went to bed early and I couldn’t get warm. I went and had the second and that and then it got really bad and I within about a week I had lost my hands didn’t really work they were I suffered from a condition already, called peripheral neuropathy. This went ramped up from on a scale of ten say from three to one eight or nine agony and chronic pain is not you know when you know the cry that nothing will work there’s no medication you can take that will help is very frightening and the worst thing is you don’t know when it’s gonna wear off or when it’s gonna go away. I then started to find out more and it was about that time that I ran into somebody I said well here’s my name we stopped swap numbers he was on telegram so I contacted him and he told me about a channel where I could find lots of information and a lot of support I felt so alone up until that point I really couldn't talk to my family and my kids my teenagers were it seemed like they'd been brainwashed. The more I got into that and more I realised I was distancing myself and not actually not only from the government but from the rest of the public too I'm talking today on behalf of people like me who may have been maybe lost maybe need to hear someone talk about it from a human point of view without condemnation. There has to be a way to bring people together I believe music can do that but it's a long way. In the following you see the complete interview with Eric Clapton. A big 'Thank You' to Oracle Films! www.oraclefilms.com Clapton: I'm Eric Clapton, musician, and I'm here to answer some questions. We could begin with Brexit, and … what I felt about that is irrelevant, but, what I noticed was that there was a lot of trickery going on politically, and I became seriously disenchanted and was suspicious about the way the government was handling everything, and to see, and I've got a good, well, I think I have got a good to see, you know, like a bull shit radar, and I just saw there's something wrong and it's getting wronger all the time. And by the time the virus came along, it was clearly chaos, and there were some really dodgy people that, I thought, were running the country, so, when that started I didn't really know, like any of us probably, what was going to happen next, but I did manage to see some, - when the earliest part of the lockdown was going on - I saw some alternative data which was sent to me on YouTube, a guy called Ivor Cummings who was showing really what could be happening and I liked his delivery because it was slightly mocking but it wasn't aggressive, it was just, … ‘this is more like it’, you know, so believe ‘what you will’, kind of thing, and from that I discovered some other people who were offering alternative solutions to what was gonna happen, what was happening, what's gonna happen, and they were the Barrington group, so, … because Sunetra Gupta was much more visible then and the other guys were in America, I suppose, - I watched her a lot and I listened and I thought that’s … everything they said made absolute sense, so I got … went online, I signed the petition and everything and tried to follow that rhetoric as much as I could and … and the more I got into that the more I realized I was distancing myself, and actually not only from the government but from the rest of the public too, so whenever I spoke about the possibility of a focused protection which was different to her because I think when they first talked about herd immunity and they added on - I think it was Boris's early press conference then, we may lose some loved ones, and I think that - woof - that's where it all fell through and I think people! I think it wasn't more than 24 hours before they did the u-turn because I think the public response must have been massive but nevertheless that's what I believe we were capable of as a new society and that's what we've always done. So I followed that path and until they disappeared. And then I thought well who do I - I've got this, it's all intuitive for me I don't really know what else to go on, I'm not really a scholar I don't know anything about sociology and science, I'm a musician. So, but I - I did realize that I was … I was setting out to do a world tour. I had to cancel a year's work immediately because there was no leaving it to the last minute. Tickets were about to be sold which from a selfish point of view is devastating because I'm of an age now where I don't know how long my faculties will go on so I was really looking at it from … selfishly to begin with. Then I realized actually there's … a spiritual point to this is… that we … we heal you know proper, old-school people we don't lip-sync, we play and we play for that crowd. And there's something … something that happens when you put a great musician or someone who knows what they're doing in front of people who need support or just to have pleasure or joy and we figure out what it is and we give it to them. And people leave, renewed and … I need that, too. So I was really devastated then I heard that Van, I got word from a friend that he was trying to do live gigs and he was trying to and he was outwardly, I mean, speaking against the government policies and everything and I mean, I think a lot of things happened in between we had the summer and I went away and I talked quite strongly about taking my family away from England, we'll go and live somewhere else and start somewhere else. My wife is American and we could go there, but the rhetoric there was even worse in some respect because it was all tied in with Trump and the minute I began to say anything about the lockdown here, my concerns, I was labeled as a Trump supporter in America and I got some pretty heavy feedback. When it came to the beginning of this year and the Barrington guys were talking about the vaccine as being the deal-breaker, you know, and I thought okay, I'm not … I don't like … I have a terrible fear of needles I hate needles, I don't wanna be … And I don't even like blood samples, you know, anything like that. But I believed them, I followed that path and when they started to talk about rolling out the vac I smelled a rat again you know, just the way the focus was on this and there was a race, and then it became political and national, and I thought, here we go again, it's the same old shit. But I was diagnosed with emphysema a couple of years ago, and I thought, well I fit that bracket, that's … pretty vulnerable, I mean I'm over … I'm 76 and if there is such a thing as this - and we didn't know anybody, you know where I live, there was nobody that we could … even friends and friends of friends. It was thin on the ground, well I ought to have this vaccination for my kids, you know, just so that … I don't wanna drop dead on them or I don't want them to lose me I don't wanna lose them - all these … the normal natural responses, I think. And then … so I went and I got the notification you can come and get, and I was holding out for Astra Zeneca because it came from Oxford. And so, you know, I'm pretty naive about this stuff and I thought well that's … and also I'd heard that was old-school method of inoculation and I went and had the jab and I got a little green like a library card and I thought that's what I'm going to show the people when I get on the plane, it's a lot of funny stuff about it, and within several hours I was shaking like a leaf and I went to bed early and I couldn't get warm. And I thought am I running a fever I was boiling hot and sweating and then I was cold and I had - I was out for the count for about a week. And I had been preparing for a project where I was going to be playing acoustic guitar with a couple of musicians and we were going to film it. That week knocked me out and I had to start again from scratch and I was okay but it wasn't, it didn't come off as well as I would like to. Because I would … Professionally it was a huge setback and it frightened the shit out of me because I didn't know how long it would last. I then started to find out more and it was about that time that I ran into somebody. I said, well here's my name we stopped, swapped numbers. He was on telegram, so I contacted him, and he told me about a channel where I could find lots of information, and a lot of support and so I logged on to that. There's a chat called Robin Monotti who runs a channel, and it's for anybody that is concerned or is looking for - in my case looking for support. For me, I felt so alone up until that point, I really couldn't talk to my family and my kids. My teenagers were - it seemed like they'd been brainwashed and there was a lot of that, kind of going on from, from other protests that were happening earlier. They were really - it was the first time I'd seen my kids passionate about anything and I thought it was great but I was being ostracized. And I could feel that everywhere. I could feel alienation because I held a different view so I was trying to keep my mouth shut. But I did, I was following the channel avidly, and bit by bit I realized that I probably shouldn't have had the first jab. But then I was offered the second and I thought well what have I got, what's the point in, you know, stopping now. So I went and had the second and then it got really bad. Within about a week I had lost. My hands didn't really work, they were … I suffered from a condition already called peripheral neuropathy which is nerve damage pain really, which means that, you know, I can get numb, or pins and needles. When I had the second jab that was it’s… and they do say that condition by the way is progressive and it's incurable. So I had expected it to be it’s manageable. I’d expected it to be something that would gradually grow worse as I got older into my 80s or whatever. But always, you know, well get some ice pack or whatever it would be fine - this went ramped up from, on a scale of ten say, from three to eight or nine agony. And chronic pain is not, you know, when you know that nothing will work. There’s no medication you can take that will help, is very very frightening and the worst thing is you don't know when it's gonna wear off or when it's gonna go away. So that was due … that was what frightened me the most medically, health-wise. And it still does because of and I have gigs to do, and I have a recording work to do but to touch the guitar to play the guitar it's not fun and it's something I do, you know. Then when I put it down it's there until I go to bed and I take sleeping pills because I can't sleep because of the pain. And that's not, it's not a good way to live … And it's not all due to the vaccine but the vaccine took my immune system and just shook it around again and that's still going on so. And that's, then I read you know a lot of the evidence that I had been reading about with people that were having adverse reaction - that was on the list, you know, damage to the immune system – Interviewer: Do you feel like you were made aware of those risks beforehand? Clapton: Oh God, no! God, no! I didn't even know there was a yellow card report. I didn't know there was any such thing. My doctor said, oh you should … my GP here in London said - because I had to get it done on NHS , with an NHS doctor that I've known too from in the country for a long time - he didn't say anything, they gave me a leaflet for the first jab which I didn't really look at. But they didn't say anything about adverse reactions. They do say you might feel a bit sore or, you know, like you'd say for a … but they did say also that it is safe, you know. It's effective and safe. And I called my doc, the NHS doctor after the second jab and I said I've been told there's a yellow card system that where I can complain about after effects. He said, yes, they still go. Cause I told them about. And he said, well I'll fill in the report. And I never saw a yellow, I mean, that apparently stays with the doctor. But… you know that stuff was not made known. I lost the use of my hands for about three weeks so I thought I was in real trouble. And that's about that point, I was invited by Robin Monotti to talk about it because … And it was easy to say yes because I may … I'm definitely … By then I realized I wasn't the only one that was suffering adverse reactions. And you know I can't touch anything cold or hot I have to use these otherwise my hands will begin to burn and they'll stay burnt all day whether or not I have gigs to do. In the autumn, I know maybe vitamin D will help, there's not much else that does do anything other than being really careful and that's my experience from having had the second jab. And I went to my doctor that pretty quickly said, you know, … that I can't have any more vaccinations, this is not possible for me because I don't know what will happen, I don't know what will happen next. And from what I read and from what I've been told there would be a booster in the autumn. And I said I have to have a document that says I can't. I'm allergic, I can't have Covid-vaccine which I have in my backpack next door. And I don't know where that will lead me because the next thing I'll be, you know, … But through it all, actually the point that I should have made earlier is that I believe most of all in free speech and freedom of movement, choice of movement and life and love and kindness - with all of this exposure to the polarization of the politics and the medicine and the science, I found it very difficult to be neutral. Because I've seen scorn and contempt from both sides and I get caught in the crossfire a lot. But I'm not gonna … I don't really feel educated enough to know enough about either of these areas, so I'm talking today on behalf of people like me who may have been maybe lost, maybe need to hear someone talk about it from a human point of view without condemnation. And I have, you know, when I come to work, there is, I need to know about, for instance, whether I'm not … I'm playing to a welcome audience or a discriminated audience. I can't play to people that only have vaccine passports. I can't play to people that only follow, you know, the anti-vaccination. There has to be a way to bring people together - I believe music can do that. But it's a long way away and maybe that's good because there's still time I believe for us to come together. I still follow the teachings of the Oxford group, of the Barrington group, because I think they're good people. But I don't know how that will resolve with the movements the way. It's very polarized, and alienation doesn't work. It's not gonna help. What happened with me and Van was he sent me some songs and I recorded one called “Stand and deliver”. When that came out in America, when it came up his website really, that's what people … that's what … the flak I got I didn't understand. And I was trying to say, well this was against the UK government I don't know what's going on. But Van he’s gonna plough right on when I heard the next couple of things that he put out. Oh my God, this man is fearless and I would love to be fearless but I'm not. I'm really, you know, I've I've caught this anxiety syndrome. I have it bad and I don't have it as bad as I had maybe two or three weeks ago when I was devoutly following the six o'clock and the ten o'clock news or Talk Radio or trying to get find someone who's speaking a language that I can identify with. And… but now I've stopped watching TV. One of the cartoons was a little drawing of a guy interviewing two quakers and saying: How come, none of your community has got Covid, and they said well we don't watch TV. It's so true man, so much of the sickness is in our heads now. We’ve become weak, you know, if we're talking about freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of choice with the vaccine for instance, then the opposite of that is what we are experiencing - if you take that away what we're experiencing that disturbs me most is coercion. And I had said to my friend, the doctor, my doctor, I said do you think this vaccine thing is ever going to become mandatory? “It's ridiculous, ridiculous, they could never pull shi.. , I mean they'd never pull that one off.” And well, I got the funny feeling, you know, bit by bit it's that and to see - celebrities, especially, what really got me was ethnic minority celebrities guilt-tripping their own community. That broke my fuking heart and made me so angry. I have a lot of friends in that part of the world and to see them preyed on like that is just … that's where it steps into sadism for me. The photographs of the people on buses with masks on saying: ‘Don't let their sacrifice be in vain.’ Phew, that's bad, that's bad, it's very dark. It's very dark. It's victimization, is what it is. I was reading “1984” (George Orwell), all through this. And there's something he says, he says: “How do you have full control over people?” And he said: “Fear”. He said: “No, not fear, suffering is how you get full control over people. And that's what it's come to. But it's psychological suffering but it amounts to the same thing and I experience it. When you get caught in the trap, well, can you believe what your heart tells you is right or is it going against the narrative? Can I talk about how I feel to my family? Man it's … it doesn't get riskier than that. When I made that little statement I was pleased to see that it went around without too much of flak. I did get some flak from the people I least wanted to get flak from … But that fed, you know, I get it. And that brings me back to what do I do if I go to play for an audience: Do I say, Mmh… I'm not playing to you lot, you've had the jab. And to be honest, … and most of my audience will be comprised of, you know, 60 year-old and older and if those people haven't had … I mean I don't know how they would have held out, you know. So that has to be something that is acknowledged, forgiven, whatever I don't think it's like an act of betrayal. I was asked to do a private gig in the Caribbean after not playing for a long time and I was in bad shape recovering from the second jab and I had to fill in this government questionnaire because I was going to work again, and at some point, during this, I had my phone and my assistant was showing me how to do it on my laptop and on my phone this App appeared and it said Digi ID and I thought what the fuck, they can't do that, you can't make me buy an App, the government App. And I deleted it but, - and that's, then I thought, now this is, this is where it's got to stop. And you know, that's what Van says, this has got to stop. And I agree, I agree it has got to stop but where's it coming from? Interviewer: Why aren’t more people speaking out? Clapton: Fear. Fear! Interviewer: Of what? Clapton: Reprisal. - You know I I've been around a long time and the people that I would probably come to see me play will come to see me play. They've seen me play drunk, they've seen me play, sober they've seen me doing rational things, behave badly, and they come for another reason, so I'm quite secure. My fear is about what will they do to my children. My fear about vaccination is what will it do to my children? Part of the reason, maybe the biggest part of the reason why I'm talking here today with you. And that is, you know, they may go ahead and there's no way I can stop them. Once they've turned 18 that's their choice. I think they see it as a short-term problem that they want to go to the Med or they want to go to another country. Something to do you just got to do that to get it, get clearance. They don't … I talked to my daughters about well, maybe you might not be able to have kids - they don't probably care – You know, at that point in time in your life it's not an issue. Yeah, that's one of the risks I take by doing this is that you know they're gonna … they're gonna look at me like why don't you just keep your mouth shut, Dad? And I tell you the best thing about it for me is that I might be becoming a nuisance for those guys. I'd love to be an annoyance to some of them. that sit around that table. That would give me tremendous satisfaction. But my greatest fear is what will happen to my kids. I mean, I don't want to lose their trust and love, you know. The trick they had … they got together with the propaganda was … making it so that you're responsible for other people's life. So you're… I can be labeled a murderer and people would really believe that. That's powerful, it's very clever. I don't know what it will take, I agree that it would, there would be - I've tried to reach out to fellow musicians, sometimes they don't … I just don't hear from them anymore, my phone doesn't ring very often, I don't get that many texts and e-mails anymore, it's quite noticeable, you know. Interviewer: You've noticed that since you started speaking out? Clapton: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Association But then again, on the other hand, you know, there are a lot of people on Robin's channel who've been incredibly kind and supportive and, you know, they made me out to be a little bit of a hero behind Mike and Van, mind you, well behind.

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